Beiträge von p750mmx-HM

Zitat von cmoon

Das Problem resultiert (vermutlich auch bei dir) aus dem Einbrechen der Framerate.

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RE: Dune HD / Homatics Box R 4k Plus / Nokia 8010 / RockTek G2

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Hallo, ich habe Ella (Homatics) zugesacht mich in diesem topic zu melden. Vergib mir mein Deutsch.

Ich hoffe was Klarheit zu bringen für Dune und Homatics benutzers.

Zu erst, Dune R Plus users können nicht das beta Programm nutzen. Dune had Homatics gebeten keinen beta updates für die Dune R Plus zu genehmigen. Und Ella wird es auch nicht (mehr) machen. So Dune users müssen für updates bei Dune sein.

Es gibt jetzt ein unterschied zwischen das framerate issue mitt build 5221 und build 5394 oder…

p750mmx-HM

15. Mai 2024 um 14:38

Finally.

Last week the SEI/AmLogic Development department confirmed the framerate problem with local media streaming as an existing issue and they could even reproduce it caused by a subtitle being active (of-course they could, but they never really tried it before).

Now lets hope they can fix it completely with a next test build. Fingers crossed there will be a new internal testbuild this coming week(s).

Zitat von Purge

Hi,

Auf der englischen Coreelec Seite habe ich den IR Mod für die Homeatics Box gefunden. Ist dieser bei der Nokia 8010 Box auch möglich ?

Hat jemand Erfahrungen ?

The Nokia has IR receiver build in already

Zitat von bugmenot2021

Hallo zusammen,
ich hätte mal eine Frage an die Besitzer einer Homatics Box R 4k Plus.
Ich würde an die Box gerne eine USB-HDD anschließend und anschließend über meinen PC, z.B. per FTP, Dateien (Bilder, Musik, Videos) auf die USB-HDD kopieren und anschließend über die Homatics Box R 4k Plus abspielen.
Funktioniert das? Über welche wege könnte ich auf die USB-HDD zugreifen?

I answered you on this on ASV forum. You asked it there also, correct?

Zitat von cmoon

Can't wait to hear your results!

Bad news, nothing solved for us. I already had a suspicion the new build would not change anything, but I had hope.

The fix was requested for MagentaTV, but the most recent firmware for that SEI804DT device is Firmware V12.8.4954, and the major fix for audio and framerate (what Dune users still can experience with 5221 as being there), came for Homatics R Plus users with beta build 5394. So I had a bad feeling anything would change in a positive way.

Now the MagentaTV box SEI804DT got the fix shared that I (and others) already had, but they still will have the same issue we have now, still framerate related, just not as bad as before. Hopefully they gonna complain again in a while, because I think, I will be ignored, again

Zitat von cmoon

Can't wait to hear your results!

I have it, but now I need time to give it a good test

Zitat von FoLeY

Hmm ... I always cut out the commercials of my recordings . So I have to record something new to test .

p750mmx-HM

When I start to watch a movie with dd5.1 audio it's fine. But in commercial breaks the audio format changes to dd2.0 . That's most of time ok. After the break the audio format did not switch back to dd5.1 . Mostly no audio with unknown input format shown in AVR. Sometimes you hear left and right channels with no dialogue because the center channel is lost. Sometimes you hear only surround channels . In this case you have to press power off/on to bring audio back.

Never happened to me with atv11 .

That's happened with all Live TV apps I use . Dreamplayer, Kodi (maven21), Waipu TV, Magenta TV.

Sometimes it happens on netflix and prime. After watching a 5.1 movie you can't hear anything if it's not 5.1. 2.0 or pcm did not work after watching 5.1.

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This could be fixed for me already, because with beta build 5394 audio and video issues were addressed. Big difference as I notice. Can't say for sure if what you get also is solved now.

Zitat von FoLeY

And the audio issues with changing from dd5.1 to 2.0 is solved ? Most on live TV between commercial brakes...

I'm sorry, I don't use live TV, so that switch I can only test using Kodi or another program with samples having those audio codecs.

What are the issues you get now?

Zitat von cmoon

A reason why not all people perceive the stutter on their TV could be the (default) activation of features like 'Motion Estimation and Motion Compensation (MEMC)'.
Cinema purists and video image quality fetishists refuse to use those.
If Homatics people evaluated the issue on a TV with enhancers to reduce motion artifacts enabled instead of a PC monitor for example it would kill me!

Even with all those "fantastic" picture enhancements, this is noticeable, it can't NOT be seen.

But guess what. There were more complaints about this. Coming from a German company using also the SEI804, and did go straight to AmLogic about this.

So AmLogic provides a patch and if all goes well, I get this one tomorrow. So let's see what that one brings. Still a shame that my complaints were ignored about it, but he, if the issue is fixed, great.

Zitat von te36

Thats why i said it would be good to describe a test situation that others can try to explicitly reproduce.

It doesn't matter now, it is not picked up as a problem, so it will not go to SEI/AmLogic as a problem now. But when you are on a 5221 build, you can't test it.

To be clear, build 5221, shared as Stable V12 for Dune R Plus and now also for Homatics R Plus, has bigger issues, not only on major framerate collapsing but also audio cutouts. That is almost addressed completely now with beta build 5394 (and higher), but can only be used on a original Homatics box as there is no beta sharing for Dune users.

So audio cutouts is fixed (still in 5221), to test, there is a Deadpool sample with Atmos in TrueHD were the sound cutouts completely at the explosion moment (as reference).

And the "old" framerate collapsing is also addressed (still in build 5221). But this one I'm talking about I still see now, is not solved, and now, will not be solved, was the reply from Homatics, as there is nothing wrong with it.

Zitat von cmoon

You're right. Apparently people are mixing up two totally different things when it comes to the subs/stutter topic as can be seen here (where you will find posts of the same user "monsoons"):

https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/issues/21554

You can have stutter at that very moment when the subs are actually appearing. But this is not our issue.
And you can have randomly occurring stutter caused (potentially) by subs even when when they are actually not being displayed. This is what we're talking about.
I was a little befuddled when I read through that thread.
Let's hope that Homatics/Kodi devs don't confuse these two things either and aren't looking for stutter just then when subs are being displayed.

And sometimes it is really amazing what kind of medicine people are recommending: Disable hardware acceleration. WTF?!

The working workaround (restore framerate to smooth playing by disabling/enabling subs without stopping the playback) looks like doing a "renice" on running processes manually. So Homatics/Kodi devs might have a look at process priorities.

I shared several samples now with Ella to share with other Homatics employees, but they don't see anything wrong with it. Nothing wrong, so nothing to fix also.

So I made an appointment with my doctor to check my eyes, and brain

Zitat von cmoon

p750mmx-HM

Doing some research I came across this:

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RE: Maven's Kodi-Builds für Android

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That's right.
Kodi nexus now uses libass to render all kinds of subs. But libass is not android arm friendly renderer and only do single thread job so it can cause problems like stuttering on low performance android TV devices.
If you prefer large sized subs or to add some effects like border and blur, the stuttering could be worse. If you are still suffering with stuttering with subtitles even after installing "Release mode", the only way I figured out is lowering GUI resolution limit in kodi…

monsoons

19. September 2022 um 05:29

Stuttering could be a general ATV issue caused by libass use for subs rendering since Kodi Nexus.
I will test the possible medicine (lowering GUI resolution limit in Kodi system settings).

Maybe Homatics devs aren't able to reproduce the issue because they have set the GUI to 720p for example or they're using more powerful hardware or VMs.

However, if the issue didn't occur on ATV11 this could be a hint to a possible solution.

(I'm not on Telegram BTW because I have an oldstyle mobile phone only and my employer doesn't allow installation on my company smartphone.)

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Shouldn't that stutter be there from the beginning when that can cause an issue? And why with other players also (Vimu, Plex, others), they use another "engine" for media playing.

I experimented with lots of Kodi settings, and I also tried older versions of Kodi (back to 19 & 20), but with those, the same thing happens. I have put many many hours with so much different settings, just to find something to make it better. And now I have, but it is no solution, using no sub. But the relation is with that it looks like. Maybe not the sub itself, but system wise I mean.

I know your not on Telegram, but Ella shared your reactions with me, and I asked for this forum link, and I said to her I would join this topic (because of you ), and to keep her posted.

Zitat von cmoon

I've tested Avatar FHD IMAX with lots of PGS forced subs for the alien language. Right in the middle of the movie (a little earlier than expected this time) the stutter occurs. The player UI would allow me to deactivate forced subs during playback but they were still displayed. Stopping playback and restarting Kodi let me continue without stutters.
Subs could indeed be the cause of the issue. It can be reproduced easily imho.

There's still hope. The Dune HD Media Center seems to have similar problems on ATV12. And their premium version of the box with 2.5" HDD rack is meant for playback of local media. If they can sort it out without a firmware fix Kodi devs will be able, too - some day.
Otherwise, if a firmware fix is required Dune HD will turn to their OEM partner for sure.

Well, let them complain about it at SEI Robotics and/or AmLogic, maybe more pressure on this will make them try.

I shared another sample with Ella but the reply was, their inhouse "tester" didn't see anything wrong with it. The members in the closed Homatics testgroup did see it. I even shared a longer sample this afternoon in which it is so clear to see, and also when disabling the embedded subtitle during play, it straight goes to smooth playing.

For now, I'm done with reporting on this. If they don't pick it up as a problem, so be it 🤷

Zitat von cmoon

Good idea! Just checked the PGS forced subs. They can't be deactivated in Kodi Omega (any more)?! WTF?! Verified that deactivating is yet possible with other player apps on my PC.

I'm keeping FHD stuff (AVC/HEVC) only to save disk space. Currently I don't have hands on any local 4K videos.

I've uninstalled or disabled preinstalled apps for testing purpose.
Moreover I've already tried and set the background process limit to 'no background process' in developer options, without positive effect. (The setting is temporary and valid till next reboot only.)

I tested The Martian 4k high bitrate movie with PGS subs in it. I could disable that in Kodi 21.x Final. Framerate restored directly after disabling. I also tested the same movie using a external SRT, framerate went down, disabled the external SRT and framerate restored.

Edit: just now. Another movie tried in Kodi 21.x Final, the 4k Atmos in TrueHD version of Godzilla Minus One 2023. Far in the movie, after ~ 1 hour and 30 minutes, framerate not stable anymore. Let it play for a while to see if it would get better, it did not. Disabled the internal Eng. sub and replay restored almost directly.

I shared some video samples with Ella (again), showing the distorted framerate and how it restored after disabling the subtitle. This is my last attempt to get a DEV to work on it. If that doesn't happen, it will not be fixed I'm afraid.

Thank you, English it is then 👍

I tried very different things, and because I'm the only one getting it with the way I play my movies, it takes much time to check things.

The selection for IEC or RAW didn't change anything for me.

Using wired LAN or USB storage also make no difference.

What does seems to work for me is, during playing, disable the subtitle showing. Internal (embedded) one or an external SRT sub, doesn't seems to make a difference, but after I disable the sub, without stopping the movie, framerate restores.

Cmoon, you are the one that showed Ella there really still is a problem and I wasn't alone in that anymore. Thanks for that 👍

To be extra clear, it is not the same framerate collapsing as with 5221, it is something different now. Maybe this was also in the 5221 build but wasn't noticed because 5221 showed the framerate collapsing much earlier and only stop/restart fixed it.

I push Ella to let the DEV's test under the same conditions. If 4 out of 5 movies showing me the issue, they should also be able to see it.

Zitat von jamal2367

Vielleicht ist das Problem mit der heutigen v12.8.5892 gelöst worden?

In der Homatics Telegram Gruppe haben es schon einige bekommen. Ich weiß nicht ob man Ella dafür anschreiben muss oder ob es per OTA kommt.

Hallo, ich habe Ella (Homatics) zugesacht mich in diesem topic zu melden. Vergib mir mein Deutsch.

Ich hoffe was Klarheit zu bringen für Dune und Homatics benutzers.

Zu erst, Dune R Plus users können nicht das beta Programm nutzen. Dune had Homatics gebeten keinen beta updates für die Dune R Plus zu genehmigen. Und Ella wird es auch nicht (mehr) machen. So Dune users müssen für updates bei Dune sein.

Es gibt jetzt ein unterschied zwischen das framerate issue mitt build 5221 und build 5394 oder höheren beta builds. Ab build 5394 ist es deutlich besser, aber for mich, as Mitglied in Homatics closed testteam, wär es nimmer ganz verschwunden. Aber ich wär die einzige die das problem hatte, so reagierten die andere in die test Gruppe. Und dann kamen mehr users die dasselbe hatten mitt beta build 5394 und höheren builds, so ich war nicht mehr alleine

Das problem ist jetzt auch nicht gelöst mitt beta 5892, immer noch da.

Ich habe mehrere players probiert, und alle gäben sie mich dasselbe problem mitt dem framerate. Nach x zeit abspielen, meistens nach mehr als eine stunde, kamm das rucklen. Aber nicht wie es zu sehen ist mitt build 5221. Mitt build 5221 kann mann es sehen im Kodi proces info, mitt HM beta build 5394 und höher, die framerate info bleibt gleich, geht nicht runter, doch es ruckelt.